Curse

Slash From The Shadows · Dec 26, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29

so, i'm planning for maxing out my Dervishe's Norn Tile Track.
i'm sitting at rank5 right now ( 3k pts for r6) , and i need a good build concept that is able to clear the Varajar Fells in Hm ( i have the Path quest).
generely, i was running a wounding strike build for myself, 2 WoH heros, and Restore Condition hero, and i took Ilusion ,Guardian,Fighter and Interrupt henchmans. my problem are the Vaetir spawns, and then large groups of wendigo and minotouers. i don't think i have any cash/skill unlock problems ( but i hope for good build before end of wintersday so i can fff from snowball arena).

ZeAliX · Dec 26, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

I would suggest you to be the only melee in the team (at least I do when I h/h), then grab a SS necro and VoR mesmer.

Lord Of Blame · Dec 26, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Looks like you have too much healing and not enough damage output.

For HM vanquishing with a deverish I would recommend running a Sabway setup with 3 necro heroes, you may want to modify it a little to fit your needs. For henchmen, I always take the fire, earth, prot, and healer. The fire ele is usually not to good in HM but the norn areas have lots of enimies that fire works well on. When in other areas you can swap the fire ele for the interrupt henchy. The earth henchmen is actually pretty good to always take. With the sabway setup you will not need so many warriors in your build because your minions will be the meat shields.

Take your time, pull only one group when possible. Before you head into a fight move ahead slowly because the vaettir alway seem to spawn right as you aggro, but if you do it right they will pop up and you can pull them away from other enimies. From my experience they always seem to spawn when I am near trees, of course they spawn other places but this is what I noticed when I vanquished Varajir last night.

It is generally quicker to max these title with handbooks. So unless you want to vanquish the area for Legendary North title I would do handbooks.

Only my opinion, good luck.

Slasher of Darkness · Dec 26, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Well..as far as builds and stuff goes..You should use the sabway triple necros as ur heros, as mentioned before..and well ur own build..i usually go out with triple necros, mhenlo, earth henchman, devona or talon, and a henchie i find is good for the situation..and my own build for that case is like this

[Reaper's Sweep][Zealous Sweep][Mystic Sweep]["I Am the Strongest"][Heart of Fury][Aura of Holy Might][Asuran Scan][Resurrection Signet]

the ress can be replaced with whatever u want...This build should give u some nice damage output ..Well it does for me, and also use a zealous scythe of enchanting...Thats it..and yeah if u wanna max them titles, just fill books..easier and faster imo..

wind fire and ice · Dec 26, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

SS nec,VoR mes with splinter and a MM with mhenlo lina herta and whatever else.

Daesu · Dec 26, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

I recommend that you bring [[Rend Enchantments] on your necro hero rather than [[Rip Enchantment] for deeper enchant removal. The Mist Vaettir are mesmers with IW, once you stripped that, their main damage is gone. Melee attackers are actually bad against them because they have sympathetic visage, but shouldn't matter if you can kill them fast.

Rather than using sabway which has no enchantment (other than a variant that has Dwayna's Sorrow), I prefer a Ether Renewal Ele with an enchantment heavy smite/protect build for my dervish since you get free energy and health whenever an enchantment ends on you.

For the ER ele, try to go for high energy cost and spammable enchantments with something like:

[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Protective Spirit][Reverse Hex][Shield Guardian][Zealot's Fire][Protective Bond][Strength of Honor]

A curse necro with:

[Barbs][Enfeebling Blood][Rend Enchantments][Rigor Mortis][Splinter Weapon]

And either a Aotl/Fiend MM with [Dwayna's Sorrow][Foul Feast] and [Infuse Condition], or an orders necro with OOV or OOP, BR, Patient Spirit, etc.

Bring Mhenlo, Herta, Cynn, and Zho for interrupts. Mhenlo's Dwayna's Kiss and other enchantments would also synergize well with an enchantment heavy team build.

Slash From The Shadows · Dec 29, 2008, 08:36 AM // 08:36

anyway , i think i'd better do all title stuff on my sin, as i'm best with him ( finished all campaigns on him though) , but i just taught, won't Discordway be better then Sabway? i see ppl all the time talking about how Discordway is better with damage and offense.

Super Igor · Dec 29, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Yeah d-way takes less effort to get rid of stuff and can have more defense on other hand you might not always afford to have all you favorite buffs like [splinter weapon] mark of pain [barbs] on your hero bars. Personally I ended up enjoying how d-way performs (although Iliked sabway better) but at the moment >_> run RoJway.

Daesu · Dec 29, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

For sabway, I like to optimize it for my characters. I have used this before for the N/Rt healer:

[build=OAhiYwhMlON5MMJNNOd9kAmcBA][/build]

Weapon of Shadow works well if you are a melee character and you can hold aggro. It synergizes better with other weapon spells because of the higher recharge time.

Spike Stritter · Jan 07, 2009, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Sorry if this was mentioned.
I suggest 3 healers/ protters (i go 1 Xinrae healer on livia, talh running prot, and then a prot henchie)
bring an MM too.
and dont just go crying to us about it.
look at your problems and adjust accordingly. for the most part minatuars are? melee!!! Aegis is your friend then along wit hthe earth henchie with her wards.
Vaetir spawns are hard no matter what the build. learn where they pop and focus all your heros/henchie(by calling liek ctrl+enemy health bar) and kill one at a time. other than that you should have no problem.
Just dont think TOO hard about it...after all its PvE

Also, RC is kind of a weak elite in PvE IMO
though i cant think of anything off the top of my head (sicne ZB is used be prot henchie and Life Sheath is somewhat nerfed) try finding something else you can use.

Theli · Jan 07, 2009, 12:40 AM // 00:40

as everybody, Its strongly recomended a MM
[jagged bones][animate bone minions][death nova][feast for the dead][signet of lost souls] + 3 optional skills that can help a lot.

well i would recomend use a N/rt healer and another necro with SS..and that will be sabway xD.

for henchies:
Herta is a must, both healers are OK to take...and the last spot, u could put a interupter or the necro one (i believe she has Blood ritual)

Spike Stritter · Jan 07, 2009, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theli

for henchies:
...both healers are OK to take

WRONG..common misconception by ppl who just read [protection] or [Healer-] at the end of the henchies name and think ok i need that one.
Take a closer look

Mhenlo-from wiki
[Deny Hexes][Divine Intervention][Dwayna's Kiss][Healing Touch][Orison of Healing][Resurrection Chant][Vigorous Spirit][Word of Healing]

Lina-from wiki
[Dismiss Condition][Guardian][Protective Spirit][Resurrection Chant][Reversal of Fortune][Shield of Absorption][Shielding Hands][Zealous Benediction]

Now it should become clear which henchie to take. if not ill guide you through it.

Mhenlo-basically all heals which isnt required because he can only use one skill at a time. Pro healer bars have like what 3-4 heals? Shouldnt be Livia be healing you for the most part through direct red bar go up skills like spirit light + mend body and sould? *nods head*

Lina-has BOTH healing and prot. oh wait!! didnt u say u had probs with minotaurs?????????? thats right u did!! woah look at that lina has guardian and minotaurs use melee look at that.

Also, Lina can heal by using ZB and since she has many prots on her bar she can also heal through dismiss condition while providign condition removal. And as mentioned before you should bring an MM. usually that MM will carry Aegis as a support. wait! doesnt Aegis go on all allies within earshot giving them 50% chance to block?? YES IT DOES! ZOMGZ that must mean dismiss condition is uber effective!!!!!! woah!! she even cares a rez too just like mhenlo!! she is teh leet!

mhenlo just got pwned

Little look overs like the choice of henchmen can be the ultimate decider in win or fail in difficult areas.